tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post116317142432296891..comments2023-11-03T09:05:31.265-04:00Comments on Soho the Dog: "When I tell him I think he's the end, he giggles a lot with his friend"Matthewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10936327293692397100noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-23736519712130623582011-02-27T12:15:27.444-05:002011-02-27T12:15:27.444-05:00@Scott - I didn't think it was a big argument;...@Scott - I didn't think it was a big argument; rather a spirited discussion. But, I am puzzled why you state the torus isn't based on good cognitive theory. The torus is a parsimonious mapping of the pitch statistics (and associated percepts) of the major and minor keys in Western tonal music, as first shown by Krumhansl in the 1980s, and corroborated by probe tone experiments from many labs. So, if one converges on the tonal representation on a torus from actual behavioral data, how is the torus not a model that is reasonably isomorphic with cognitive representation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604825344249236818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-80262695743646042892011-02-27T12:13:55.923-05:002011-02-27T12:13:55.923-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604825344249236818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-1163430026523808642006-11-13T10:00:00.000-05:002006-11-13T10:00:00.000-05:00It seems a little too good to be true. One of the ...It seems a little too good to be true. One of the things I was imagining was whether you could do a similar map for a 12-tone piece, using row forms and transpositions instead of tonal centers. It would probably come out similarly persuasive, and similarly disconnected from the way at least I experience listening. As an analytical tool for visualizing tonal space I think it's interesting—similar to the sort of thing Dmitri Tymoczko has been working on.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936327293692397100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-1163279159798158192006-11-11T16:05:00.000-05:002006-11-11T16:05:00.000-05:00I got in a big argument with Petr about this mappi...I got in a big argument with Petr about this mapping at a confence last year. Much of his research is fine, but the actual torus is not based on good cognitive theory.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286095156825716887noreply@blogger.com