tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post6036800753857578891..comments2023-11-03T09:05:31.265-04:00Comments on Soho the Dog: Every night, they say, he sings the herd to sleepMatthewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10936327293692397100noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-81425982850477032662008-10-15T12:46:00.000-04:002008-10-15T12:46:00.000-04:00The point with late Romantic music is that I think...The point with late Romantic music is that I think, unlike Schubert <I>et al.</I> (who were certainly trafficking in some potent nostalgia), late Romantic music is, in a way, nostalgic for <I>itself</I>, in a way a lot of culture immediately pre-WWI seemed to be. Almost any old musical style can conjure up nostalgia under the right circumstances, but I think late Romanticism was somewhat unusually concerned with stage-managing its own sentimental exit.<BR/><BR/>Goethe is actually an interesting point of reference in the changing nature of nostalgia—he considered Schubert's songs on his texts too radical and modern, preferring composers who set his words in the older style of Goethe's own adolescence/young adulthood. Oldies go way back.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10936327293692397100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-3421890269928235822008-10-15T02:22:00.000-04:002008-10-15T02:22:00.000-04:00What Sator said. Though I wonder why you're ascrib...What Sator said. <BR/><BR/>Though I wonder why you're ascribing nostalgia with "late" romanticism when one might be able to trace nostalgic reflection (as part of a Zeitgeist) back as far (and maybe further) as Schubert and those sing-songy folk. If "longing" is indeed one of the catch phrases of nostalgia, I wonder if ETA Hoff. and Goethe might fit your bill, too. In this sense, can we say that the dismissal of Schoenberg et al had its roots in a sort of century-long "me, me, me, emotive"/ composer-becoming-the-subject of historical inquiry--where the "forward looking" or the "next new thing" was the prescient objective--came to a violent collision with the unfamiliar, one which is unreconcilable with nostalgia? Ugh.<BR/><BR/>Good post. Keep up the good. And Go Sox.Empiricushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11629835829400843701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32354680.post-37102523199745735902008-10-14T17:03:00.000-04:002008-10-14T17:03:00.000-04:00Nice post. I always figured it was Mahler (like y...Nice post. I always figured it was Mahler (like you said, Lied von der Erde et al.) that started using tonality ironically/nostalgically. That cycle is a mess, tonally speaking. Seems to work, though, to its intended (? Derrida?) effect.<BR/><BR/>Eh, one could probably make a case for late Brahms as well. (Not to mention Liszt's "Bagatelle sans tonalitie").Sator Arepohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00006808744513156317noreply@blogger.com